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commercials. what will it literally do? nothing. what's interesting about the groundhog day, the same debate we've heard in '09, 2010, 2011 and 2012. nancy pelosi and john boehner went at it on the house floor earlier. >> this bill is making our economy worse, driving up the cost of health care and making it harder for small businesses to hire new workers. >> my republican colleagues are taking away patient protects for millions of americans. protections you as a member of congress already enjoy. i think that that's undermining a fundamental fairness. >> and steve, that's something you've written about, tourre you've commented on it s.e. has written about it and krystal had to answer questions during her campaign when she is arguments came up. not a lot has changed. it still comes down to the central question, who wins with the optics here.
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and that -- will be answered november 6th by who occupies the white house. >> i bet we'll have luke back to talk about health care once or twice before november. really appreciate it. so not cheers but jeers when mitt romney talked about repealing obama care this morning before a crowd at the naacp convention. take a look what he said. >> this is going to take a little while. >> more than the policies and leadership of president obama, i wouldn't be running for president. >> my campaign is about helping the people who need help. of course, the president has said won't do that. my course will. now ---ing. >> so that's not exactly what happened this morning. what we were trying to show you was that mitt romney used the term obama care, which is sort
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of a lot of people on the left view that as a term of disparagement and he was bood. i think we might have it queued up now. >> i'm going to eliminate every nonessential expensive programmatic find. that includes obama care and i'm going to reform and save -- >> okay. so -- >> organ playing. >> there's a respectful ovation for him at the end. some might say it was obligatory. the key thing was this was clearly a prepared speech. he came there intending to use the term obama care and was probably prepared for the icy reception he got. >> why is it a term of disparagement? obama is proud of it. >> romney doesn't call it romney care what he did in massachusetts. when he goes to the naacp and disparagingly uses obama care, it's a boo line, meant to get a booen an it's meant to say to white voters, look, i went to
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the black community and i told it to them in their face using this em to get -- to say that i'm tough. >> i want to put a little context here what tourre just said. it's a good way to start this discussion. 1996, bob dole, 12% of the black vote, john mccain 2008, 4%. had republicans do not do well to put it mildly among the black vote. the point tourre is making, is this really about winning over black votes or is this making suburban might whites with the ? >> the they would be comfortable he's willing to stand up to the blacks and tell them and not show a different face. >>ened staing up to the blacks? >> absolutely. >> call the naacp an esteemed organization? >> the thing to think about it is think of these republican
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conventions we've seen and the analogy has been made to an nba game where the is taken gets filled with black people and the audience filled with white people. that's a party every four years wants to send a message to middle white america we're okay with black people. >> tourre is right. he gave basically his standard stump speech geared for not even the kren tryst. it's geared for the party faithful. it wasn't just that the comment about obama care. he attacked the president throughout this speech. it was not at all. >> what else is he going to do? >> talk about what he wants to do. >> he's running against the president. >> talk about what you're going to doing. >> he is going to have to say his are wrong, mine are right. this is total posturing. what was he going to do? >> yes, it's posturing. if you want a president -- >> you guys are posturing, the idea he was going to go in and somehow say president obama's got great policies but here's how mine are going to be -- >> talk about what your own policies are. >> he did. it was a great speech full of
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specifics. >> he can't talk about his policies because number one, he supports the disenfranchisement of 25% of americans through the voter i.d. laws we're going to talk about later in the show. and his tax policy wos actually raise taxes on 2.2 million african-american families through elimination of tax credits. >> let me agree with you, guys. he should not bother. he should not bother with this audience. not because i don't think his policies are better for black americans because i think his policies are better for all americans. there are folks in black leadership like mayor michael nutter of philadelphia who are literalry coming out to say you don't belong here. go home, we don't want you. when romney went into the west philadelphia to visit a charter school, michael nutter said i don't know why this guy is here. he shouldn't boger. he is not going to get points among the black leadership community. he shouldn't try. >> but you don't need points among the black leadership
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community. you need to show white people i will say whatever to them. i will stand up to them. i'm not afraid of them. i'll say crazy things like if you want a president who make things better for black people, you're looking at him. >> that's not crazy. >> he would have to believe that. >> he would have to believe that or he wouldn't run for president. >> they laughed when he said that. >> that says more about them than it does about him, frankly. >> let me make a suggestion. you talk about black leadership and the inference being rank and file black leaders take their queue, what does the average black voter see in the primary process. >> newt gingrich talking about food stamps, talking about basically saying he would tell black people to get off of food stamps and to get a job. >> what does this have to do with mitt romney. >> that's the message the republican party has been sending. >> that's newt gingrich who does not speak for the republican party, thank god. >> read the statistics before anybody heard of barack obama when the democratic party would put up white candidates and they
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were still, still the republican party was getting none of the black vote. it seems is the party's been sending out this message for a long time. they hear that more than anything romney has been saying. >> the republican party has had trouble getting the black vote. that's true. we can argue about the substance of mitt romney's policies and whether he could ever sell them effectively or any republican could sell them to a black community or minority community. that's fair. what's unfair is criticizing mitt romney, for example, a month ago but thing up a new campaign ad for having no black people in it. and nen when he does make outreach to a black community or go to i black neighborhood or a black charter school, he is criticized for going there he cannot win. >> we're not criticizing him, no, no, no we're not criticizing him for going there. we're criticizing him -- no, he's not speaking to black people at aacp convention. he's speaking to white people. look what i will say to the black people in their face.
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it's not about getting black votes. he doesn't even care about that. his policies suggest he doesn't want that. so it's a very cynical way -- >> i don't know if you could turn down -- it's a great way of -- >> his hands are tied. >> it's a great way of using black people to send a message to white people. >> we will wrap it -- i had a great ross perot clip i didn't get to use. that's the politics at 30,000 feet next. the harsh reality on the ground, firefighters and public workers having their paychecks slashed because there's not enough money to pay them as we roll on for wednesday, july 11th. [ male announcer ] what's in your energy drink? ♪ power surge, let it blow your mind. [ male announcer ] for fruits, veggies and natural green tea energy... new v8 v-fusion plus energy. could've had a v8.
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that's the theme music to "the office," everyone's favorite hilarious scranton employees but workers notice real scranton aren't laughing right now where due to a budget crisis, the city has decided to cut pay for public servants to minimum wage. now police officers, firefighters, and even the mayor himself actually are making $7.25 an hour. the unions are filing suit. but the mayor says his hands are tied and scranton certainly alone in this physical mess. across account country, the city council of san bernardino, california, voted to file for bankruptcy, the third city in california to seek protection from creditors in recent weeks. so, table, scranton's financial problems, they're not new. they've had problems for decades. they're not unique. and i think this recession has combined with a long-term industrial decline and
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increasing income segregation between communities to really destroy the tax basis of places like scranton. so you have not communities like scranton unable to be support public safety and quality education and meanwhile have communities where the affluent have clustered aren'tal to subsidize them. are we basically becoming a nation of up closet communities and ghettos. >> there's really a perfect storm because you take communities that were poor to start with. then you take states that you know, their budgets have been destroyed because their tax bases are decimated and the state is not in position to do anything for the city or the municipality. the federal government provided a little bit of relief in the stimulus in 2009. that's pretty much run its course. the aid took the form of eight to states. but that's run out. and it's impossible right now to get any more stimulus out of
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washington. then you also have pensions. you have public employees cut deals when times were better in a lot of these towns and cities and the bills for those are coming due now. so it's the worst time for all this stuff to be happening. that dynamic of asking the rich town to say you know. >> help us out. >> i've seen that up close in new jersey, called the abbott school districts where they designate 30 of the poorest districts in the state to receive aid from the rest of the state. it's a great political wedge issue usually for republicans running in the state or anybody in the suburb dozen tell a suburbanite do you want your tax dollars sent to newark and camden. >> and your premise is interesting. i get where you're going. it's acting as if these two hypothetical towns, the rich one and poor one got there by accident. why would a town that has functioned in a healthy way that has been responsible with their money that is in the black that has made good decisions, why would theyen penalized for a
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town that has acted irresponsibly. >> wait, wait. just -- >> this isn't necessarily about towns that can the anned responsibly and irresponsibly. >> but it could be. >> scranton and a lot of other towns when the industrial base declined everyone who could afford to leave did. so you're left with a situation where the tax base plummets. >>en an you're still paying 400 public workers in scranton. >>en an we have this huge income inequality. we have huge income inequality issue in this country. part of that is because of the disparity in education. it's this death spiral where because you can't afford a quality education, the kids don't have an equality of opportunity. more of the wealthiyer individuals leave. >> right. >> of course, they do. of course, they do. they leave to go to a different. >> you think that's a good thing? >> it's not something you would put in a subjective sort of emotion to. of course, people are going to make the best decisions for their families. if that means leaving a town that is crime ridden or has a
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bad school system, they're going to do that. you're asking them to apologize for that and subsidize the town they've left. >> we're all in this together. >> we need some personal responsibility here. that goes to public workers which have now become a protected class. no one wants to see firefighters or police officers underpaid. that's not what we're talking about. we can agree with that. but when public workers whether it's in wisconsin or scranton or san bernardino are unwilling to acknowledge the economic reality that we have to take cuts. >> they have been willing to acknowledge that. in wisconsin they were willing to take pay cuts and pension cuts. >> not to their health care. >> they weren't willing to give up collective bargaining. from failing budgets to failing policies, governor chris christie spoke at the brooksings institute and joined the chorus of voices speaking out against the war on drugs. >> the war on drugs, while well
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intentioned has been a failure. we're warehousing an diktd people every day in state prisons in new jersey giving them no treatment, sending them back out on the street after incarceration and wondering why recidivism rates go up. and why they don't get better, why they commit crimes again, they commit crimes to support their addiction. >> all right. so i'm no chris christie fan but credit where credit is due. that was a courage jus statement and yes, that is a republican leader emphasizing treatment over hard time for first-time nonviolent drug offenders. so are we seeing somewhat of a bipartisan coalition growing around reforming our approach to the war on drugs or is chris christie an outlier. >> credit where credit is due. he makes all the sense in the world talking about treatment for addiction and treating addiction as a health problem and not a criminal problem. that is the way to deal with the war on drugs, which it's become very popular to say the war on drugs has failed.
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but i don't yet see a movement. i see pockets of attack against the war on drugs. you see it from michelle alexander's book "the new jim crow" governor cuomo. >> libertarians like ron paul. >> governor cuomo not legalizing but decriminalizing marijuana. right now christie. you still can't campaign on legalization or treatment. you know, that's not going to get you anywhere. >> you've got to be tough on crime. >> you can still get very far being tough on crime which of course means tough on young black and brown men which is what we have with stop and frisk that we're going to sort of feel up every black and brown man we can get close to. 90% of these frisks yield nothing but they make the police and judges seem tough, prosecutors, politicians, on and on. >> i would say what's interesting here is i don't see a political movement at this point with influence to reform the drug laws. it gross out of the experience of politicians. christie is interesting.
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the experience, this guy was a federal prosecutor, a united states attorney for eight years. this isn't the first issue where he said something surprising that is rooted in the experience. immigration is the other issue. he takes a much hard line. he saw from the practical standpoint as a prosecutor, you talk about running a campaign to reform the drug laws, i should point out down by the border in el paso where the carnage of the border war of drugs is hitting home with people, there was a man who ran for congress in a primary against a long-time incumbent democrat and he ran challenging the wisdom of the drug war based on the experience in the community and he won. >> i think we can see republicans more easily running on treatment as christie is talking about. democra democr >> so coming up, we just talked about the price some communities are paying because they don't
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have enough cash. others are getting creative. we've got a man who wrote the book on getting creative. richard florida and the rise of the creative class is coming up next here on "the cycle." [ female announcer ] the power of green coffee extract is now in our new starbucks refreshers™ -- a breakthrough in natural energy. made with real fruit, starbucks refreshers™ are delicious low calorie drinks you can feel good about.
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we just talked about the fiscal disasters facing many u.s. cities that can't print money to cover their own problems. our next guest says human capital and creativity will ultimately be the way back. in the guest spot today, urban expert richard florida has rereleased his international best seller "the rise of the creative class revisited." he joins us now. richard, thanks for coming on. i wanted to ask you, you have a sort of broad definition of what you call the creative class. you say it encompasses about 40 million people. it's people who advance ideas whether that's somebody in
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entertainment and showbiz or even somebody who is a lawyer. you argue that basically this is the key for a city to have a vibrant creative class is to have a thriving city. i wonder if you can tell us how that works. are there cities that come to mind that are examples of this working? >> boulder, colorado would be the best example and san francisco and cities like that but cities in the midwest like ann arbor, michigan in the shadow of detroit have a large creative class. the class is not just artists and musicians and designers and journalists and writers like us. it also includes scientists and technologies allege business and management professions. what we find is when a city or a country like the united states can grow them, that's what really poweres the sustainable economic growth. >> so my follow up to that is take a city like you mentioned detroit there. i think it's of's definition of a broken and failed city. if you were to go into detroit and sort of talk to the leaders there, what would you tell them about how to revive their city?
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>> one thing that's a good thing, detroit has grown more of a creative class since i wrote the wrote the book ten years ago. it's moved up into the top 50 which is a lot better than it was at the bottom of the pack. at "the atlantic, i serve as a senior editor. efound because housing is so cheap and because warehouses are so cheap, young creative people and even some of them from brooklyn or the bay area are moving there. it's more of a bottom upregeneration. it's not the convention is it centers and ca sin knows. as people go there and build new businesses. >> richard, clearly the creative class and you talk about the service class, working class have to live together, work together, things that they create will be manufactured by the others. but you say the key to dealing with the chronic underemployment that we have in this country, 8% nationally, 14.5% for black people, is not in social welfare
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but in tapping into their creativity. what do you mean by that? >> well, one thing that really struck me in the ten years since i first worked on this is the enormous -- you guys were just talking about there in scranton, the enormous class divide we face in this country. it's not just the red blue, obesity, fitness, it's underpinned by the different work people do. creative class is splitting apart from the working people and people who serve us. we need a new social compact. it's not one that just gives people material goods but invests in people, invests in human capital. every single human being is creative. that's what we have to remember. every person has ability. if we can forge a new social compact which gives people the ability and opportunity to use that, if we're going to create one country in income equality, we've got to bring people doing low wage service work, bring them back up and let them invest
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in their talent and contribute more. >> richard, i love the idea that every person is creative. i know that's a title of a chapter in your book. is that really true? >> tourre likes to think he's the only creative person in the world. >> no, no. i know people who are brilliant who just admit they're not creative. >> i mean, obviously, there are some people with more ability. all my life, i wanted to be a guitar player. i loved jimmy hendrix. also paul allen's boyhood idol. i decide i could be better served as a researcher. paul allen as a technologist. when they studied 2 and 3 and 4-year-olds, all 2 and 3 and 4-year-olds, you see it in kids on a playground, kids are creative. in school, we squelch that out of them. by the time they're teenagers they're throwing up their hands. by the time they get older, they're dropping out of the workforce. stoking that creative furnace
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and build ageconomic system that harnesses this creativity is our only key. you look at the best manufacturing companies in this country. the ones that are really getting ahead. you saw jeff besos talking about this with amazon, harnessing workers and having them work together. you see this in the factors that are humming now and the service businesses are winning. not everybody is uber creative but everybody has creativity they can use on the job and in their lives. >> richard, you mentioned detroit. i was wondering if you could be really specific about what did they do to improve their standing in the sort of creativity class? >> you know, it's really interesting, krystal. so many cities do the wrong thing. i think this is what i spend a lot of my life talking to cities. we're going to put a casino up, a convention center up, bring the ball team downtown. we're going to get a factor downtown. that's not what works. there was a woman from scranton, the greatest urbanist of all
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time, jane jacobs wrote all of these great books and she said it's the small things that make a difference. empowering people to clean up their block to, make their neighborhood safer, to build new businesses. it's the small grassroots up from the bottom things. detroit tried all the big things. they didn't work. and then finally -- and detroit still has a long -- a long, long way to go, but they finally said by giving people access to affordable space, by letting young people start their own businesses, by no longer trying to big thick solutions and now fortunately trying to get their budget under control which is still taking awhile, that's the kind of thing that leads to urban rejuvenation. saw it in new york, in the bay area. i saw it when i lived in pittsburgh. hopefully we'll start to see it in places like detroit. >> richard florida, thank you for joining us. >> it's a pleasure to be with you guys. congratulations, by the way. >> thank you. >> appreciate that. up next, the price of democracy. why more than a million americans may be forced to pay for their turn at the polls just
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right now, the house of representatives is voting for the 33rd time to repeal the president's health care law. this is only the second time they voted for full repeal of the law. we'll bring you the final tally when it comes in. today's vote all about election year politics. the bill dead on an rival in the senate where the democrats are in control. eric holder has a scathing characterization of the texas voter i.d. law, the legality of which will be decided this week in federal court. >> under the proposed law, concealed handgun licenses would be acceptable forms of photo i.d. but student i.d.s would not. many of those without i.d.s would have to travel great distances to get them. and some would struggle to pay
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for the documents they might need to obtain them. we call those poll taxes. >> the justice department first rejected the law in march deeming it a violation of the voting rights act. the doj says the law could denierly a million mostly hispanic voters a chance to cast their ballot. our friend ari berman writes about the latest developments in this case for the nation. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> tell us what the latest is in texas. >> so there's a trial this week in federal court to see whether the texas voter i.d. law does violate the voting rights act. the department of justice said up to 1.4 million voters predominantly hispanic and african-american could be disenfranchised by the new law. that's why it does violate the voting rights act and the law should not go through. there will be a decision probably by the end of august. if texas losses the case, they
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have vowed to challenge the constitutionality of the voting rights act and this case could be headed to the supreme court sooner rather than later. >> well, i have a question for my table mates. and go with me for this. question is, should noncitizens of this country be able to vote? go around the table? >> the answer is no, but voter fraud is a red herring. that's not the issue here. >> wait. just let me finish this premise. >> fraud is not the issue here. the disenfranchise chinesement of black and brown people. >> voter fraud exists. >> no, it does not exist. berman talked about that yesterday. >> no examples of voter fraud around the country? it's never happened. >>. >> the bush justice department which i know you like from 2000 to 2007 did an investigation into voter fraud. they prosecuted 86 people out of 300 million are cast.
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>> that's 86 too many. >> that's.00002% of the election. now we can disenfranchise people. >> if we agree noncitizens should not be allowed to vote, how do we enforce that? >> there's no evidence noncitizens are voting. >> you just named 87 examples. you just named 87 examples. >> the right has created a phantom menace of voter fraud. >> you don't want a solution to this problem. >> there's no problem. >> there's not a problem. >> 87 times by your estimation is 87 too many. >> 300 million people. >> what would you do about those 87 times. >> you're going to disenfranchise 1.4 people in texas alone. >> krystal, you don't like voter i.d. fine. give me a solution for those 87 times. you don't have one. >> but why are we caring about 87 people? >> i've got nothing else. >> you have nothing else. you have nothing else.
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you have nothing. >> i will answer your question. how about this. how about we consider providing i.d.s to people? how about we consider. >> texas is doing that. >> instead of allowing the concealed carry i.d. and not the student i.d., then why not student i.d.s count? >> voter fraud is a total red herring. 25% of black americans lack photo i.d. that would get them to the polls. >> you will not fix the 87 examples because it's not enough. >> only 8% of white americans lack that. we're talking about disenfranchising millions of people over 87? that doesn't make any sense. >> ari, i want to bring you back into this. everybody's here kind of ganging up on s.e. if we look at a poll on this, her position on this is winning. i think the argument to people that you know, yeah, you need some kind of i.d. to show up and vote to prevent fraud is a powerful argument, don't you? >> people need to understand the consequences and the number of
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registered voter who's don't have i.d. 21 million people don't have i.d. in this country in crucial swing states like pennsylvania. 750,000 registered voters don't have that i.d. number two, people need to understand what it takes to get the i.d. it's not as simple as showing up. it costs pone. in texas, only 81 out of 254 counties in texas even have a dmv. even if you wanted to get the i.d., it's just very difficult to get it in certain places. we're creating all these new hurdles to voting for no reason other than that republicans want to make it harder for traditionally democratic constituents to be able to cast a ballot. this all happened after the election of barack obama. it the wasn't a coincidence. republicans saw how obama won in 2008 by turning out a coalition dst young voters. >> caller: hispanic and african-american voters and decided we're going to make it tougher for those voters to vote in 2012. it's not about the voter fraud.
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it's about the gop shaping electorate in their own favor. >> there is no coincidence this is happening now after the election of barack obama. >> still no solution to the 87 examples of voter fraud. >> how about the -- what's your solution of five million people being disenfranchised in the next election. >> if you don't like voter i.d., that's okay with me. i'd love another option to deal with the by your estimation 87 examples of voter fraud. people fight for that right overseas. it's a privilege. if you're going to take it for granted, then i don't think you should be part of that privilege. >> the 86 people weren't even people who were intentionally committing fraud. it was mostly honest mistakes. out of 300 million. >> still got to deal with it. >> 300 million votes cast, you have turned the most minuscule problem into such a big issue. it will absolutely has no credibility the argument that you're making about voter fraud. >> i would love other options. >> i would love universal
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suffrage and not the attempt to try to disenfranchise millions of people. >> that was fun. up next, does money make you mean? we'll tell you about the new research on the filthy rich. plus, how mean are your friendly cycle hosts here? we took a quiz. get our scores after this. matters. pioneers in outsourcing us jobs supports tax breaks overseas. insourcing. industry and favors bring jobs home. it matters. i'm barack obama, and i approved this message. our current dividend tax rate will expire this year, sending taxes through the roof and hindering economic recovery. the consequences? millions of americans
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rich man to enter the kingdom of god. maybe they tend to be jerks but it might not be their fault according to social scientist who are fining having money makes people anti-social and it even works on people given monopoly people for a limited period of time. the rich are more likely to put themselves at the center of their own world. but is it having money that makes you hard hearted or do you have to be hard hearted to get rich? lisa miller is the author of a fascinating new cover story called "the money empathy gap," which explores the relationship between having money and lacking empathy. does the money make people nasty or do you have to be ruthless to get rich in the first place. >> yes, and yes is the answer. the research, the new social science research focuses mostly on the question of whether money makes you a jerk. but and that's putting it very bluntly. but there is a small amount of research that shows also that,
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for example, high disagreeableness correlates with higher income and promotions and recommendations for the management track. so it's both. but there are certain character traits that lead to waefl and affluence and then having money, being in the presence of money, thinking about money makes you behave a certain way. i just want to add that it's not necessarily the 1% kind of money but just incrementally more. >> uh-huh. there is an interesting test psychological test about niceness that went along with your article that i love so much that i had the whole table take the test earlier in the day. we're going to show you how it went down and look out for a little game within the game to see who's the nicest between steve and krystal. and who is the most ruthless between me and s.e. >> if you are out of pens at home, would you put a handful of
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nbc pens from the office into your bag? >> that's a yes. >> yeah, sure. >> yes, heck, yeah. >> tell our employer, are they? >> if you were at a cocktail party where someone from a pharmaceutical firm drunkenly brags the fda is about to approve his game changing drug, would you buy stock in that company the next day. >> probably yes. >> i would be calling my broker the next morning. >> my answer is no more from a pair noal standpoint. >> after waiting in line for ten minutes to buy coffee, you realize the cashier mistakenly gave you change for a $20 instead of the $10 you gave them. would you walk back to return the money. >> starbucks, howard schultz is going to be fine. >> it's a victimless crime. >> if it's a locally owned place, i am walking place. >> it would eat me alive. i'm walking back. >> your former colleague works at a rival company. your boss asks him to take 0 him out and get info about that company's new product. >> absolutely not. i would be -- i would be
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terrible at it. >> steve isn't really concerned with lying or morality. it's that the system is going to break down. >> a lot of our justifications have not been morality based. they're like i wouldn't do it because i'd get caught. >> you're given $10 and you have a professional association with somebody, you don't really know them, they know you have the $10, what do you do with it? you can give them some, give them all, give them none. >> why would i have to give any money to a stranger? >> i'm giving nothing. >> i would split it 50/50. i didn't earn the money. this person knows i have it to give to them. >> this is literally wealth draks. >> two for me, two for the other person, four for the government. >> steve was randomly giving money. >> i thought s.e. would like that one. >> socialist. the maximum score on the test was a 20. the obvious minimum was zero. krystal turned out to be the nicest. she got 11. steve was right behind her with
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ten. s. several got -- s. several got a six and tourre got a -- lisa, do you think this problems that i am the most likely to get rich out of this whole group? >> yes, definitely, next question. >> this as we say in theteeny, the bottom of the quiz, this is not a scientific test. it is a soar of based on scientific tests that -- researchers did. >> this is fact. >> this is fact. >> sort of gauge your, you know, your etc. cap impulses and generosity and impulses as a part of the things you did didn't talk about was your -- ability to read faces and compassion wrat impulses. compared to where you actually are or you think of yourself. >> i wanted to do that part of and it that's really an important part of it where you talk about the rich are less able to be empathetic to
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understand what somebody's face is say being their emotions. i realized functionally for this group without it have taken too long and also did the test at home. my wife and my 4-year-old did better than i did. i'm like no, we are not doing that part. we are moving on. >> it was surprisingly hard. i think of myself as a person that's good at reading faces. i talk to people all day long and thought the face recognition was tricky. >> thank you, lisa. great story. check it out in "new york" magazine. an update from capitol hill. house of representatives just voted to repeal the president's health care law, surprise. this marks the 33rd time the republican led congress voted on repeal but only the second time that they voted for a full repeal of the law. as we mentioned earlier, despite today's passage, the bill has no chance of advancing through the senate which is controlled by the democrats. martin bashir will have much more ahead at the top of the hour. but up next, steve speaks about
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responsibility. what's your policy?
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this is the sort of thing that used to be in the democratic party and the times past. bill clinton called himself a new democrat. he put that behind him. >> okay. that right there is the definition of fake history. mitt romney talking in colorado yesterday about president
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obama's call to end the bush tax cuts for the top 2%. i get what he is doing. it is what republicans have been doing since obama usurped the clinton in the democratic party. a model of responsible moderate leadership because it makes the current democratic president seem that much more radical and dangerous. here is the problem. what barack obama is proposing on taxes is exactly what bill clinton did on taxes. the story goes like this. clinton ran for president in 1992. the economy is struggling, defer sits soaring. the problem with the president, the wealthiest americans the ones that got richer by the m middle class. his budget raised rates on the top 2%. putting them at 36%. how do republicans react? the exact same way they are reacting to obama as plan today. every single one of them in the house and senate voted against
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it. this is that your dire forecast back in 1993. >> i feel particularly bad tonight, not for the upper income people who may have to pay more. i feel bad for the people really are the working people of this country. people in may family who will be the -- who, unfortunately, are going to get the penalties from people that don't want to invest more, take any more risks, and they are going to lose their jobs. and that's the tragedy of this program tonight. >> that was john kasich. he was wrong back then, badly wrong. unemployment rate was 6.9% when clinton signed that budget. by the next summer it was under 6% and kept falling for years to come all the way to under 4% in 2000. clinton's last year in office. the deficit, it fell every year, too. by 19828 country was running a is your police. by the time clinton left office we were on course to eliminate
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the entire national debt. today all obama is asking for is to return to those clinton era tax rates important the rich. that's it. let's be clear. this won't by itself ignite the economy. but 1990s show that marginal tax rates of 36% will not automatically lead to the doom and gloom republicans worried about back then and are once again warning about today. >> very good. >> that's what i got. >> professor steve. >> we talk about how republicans have moved so far to the right. to your point, is this kind of disproving that notion a bit? >> it is just -- taxes are -- the history of this is in 1990 george bush sr. raised taxes. i'm talking about the deficits coming down at the end of the '90s. the other guy that should get credit is george bush sr. made the deal to raise tax necessary 1990. what that did was set off a civil war in the republican party. in the anti-tax absolutists they were led by newt gingrich back then and guys like this. they emerged victorious from that. bush lost his re-election race
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in 1992. lesson every republican took out of that 1990 tax hike was never, ever vote for another tax hike again. they never grappled with what happened in '90s. informs all of our debate and all of our discussions today because republicans hold strong to that posture and even if in the face of what happened. when we did raise tax mess the '90s. >> i argued a lot today. i argued -- i don't have it in me. >> i was hoping it would do this. >> this has never happened before. this is the first on the cycle. >> satisfying. >> so you are on record that when we have 8.2% unemployment a tax hike is a good idea? >> i think it will not hurt if you limit it to the richest americans and i think the same argument was made in '93. economy is still rough. >> that does it for the cycle. mart martin bashir, it is all yours. >> by week four there will be a fistfight. thank you very much indeed.
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all of you, new our at 4:00 p.m., good afternoon. it is wednesday, july 11. here's what's happening. ♪ >> that didn't go so well. if you want a president that will make things better in the a much can't american community, you are looking at him. you take a look. >> mitt romney speaks to the naacp and really hears it. >> i'm going to eliminate every non-essential expensive program i can find and that includes obamacare. i will work to reform -- [ booing ] >> nice try, mr. romney. good luck. >> thank you so much. and god bless every one of you. thank you. thank you. >> a very busy news.
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braining news, republican house of representatives moments ago voting to repeal the affordable care act. the 33rd time they have held such a vote to smack down their nemesis known as obamacare. there we are. live pictures. that loaded label came up in the other big event of the day, mitt romney going deep in the heart of texas and making his case that he would serve the african-american community better than the current occupant of the white house. yes. romney made a move for the black vote at the annual con freps conference of the naacp. putting on a game face of friday night lights and trying to pry away support from the man that's 2 most visible sign of the success of that very organization. the president himself. and take a look. they did. a double take by the sounds of it when mr. romney offered up his plan to repeal the

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